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Monday, January 19, 2009

learning to play

most competitive club players have probably used the last few months to explore other forms of exercise rather than training for ultimate.  for me this means doing basically anything and everything that doesn't feel like training.  this means jogging, playing hoops, surfing, hiking, tennis, etc. the one of these that i've been doing a lot lately is playing hoops, and it has led me to an interesting awakening about my hoops ceiling.  

now i stopped playing basketball when i was probably 12, and then picked it up again about 8 years ago with some frisbee guys and others.  i didn't have any skills or fundamentals, but i played good defense, liked to jump for rebounds and had pretty good court awareness.  in the last few years i've been picking up more skills and learning a bunch from talking to people who played and also from watching others.  i've gotten to the point where against shorter or slower or less-athletic players i can get a lot of boards, display a low-post move or two, maybe get a couple put-backs or even hit a mid-range jumper.  but when i start playing against better players i get easily boxed out, i have trouble securing the rebounds that do come to me, i frequently lose the ball in the post, and my shot never seems to fall.  i have this understanding that i'm not quite at that level, but i hadn't figured out what the difference was.

this last week i was in a lunchtime game and there was a guy who was about my height and build, didn't strike me as particularly athletic, but was clearly the best player on the court.  when the ball needed to be pushed, he pressed it on a fast break; when a great pass needed to be made, he always made it; he had an extremely reliable jump shot, burying four three-pointers in my team's short game against his.  it turned out that he had played division I basketball at a low-end school from a mid-major conference.  i did a little research after the lunch game and it looks from his statistics that he largely rode the pine for this school.  but here he was controlling this lunchtime game, with what i had previously viewed as some pretty competent basketball players on the court, including many who seemed bigger and faster than him.  i was impressed, and realized that i would probably never have his ball-handling, shooting or passing skills, even if i was playing pickup basketball for a few hours every day of the week.

this got me to thinking about ultimate and how i developed skills to get to the top of our sport.  we've all been out to the pick-up ultimate game where there's the guy who is pretty good, maybe even runs the show out there, but for one reason or another has never made the local elite team.  see, these people who play pick-up are not so different from me playing basketball.  they're good athletes, they have decent field sense, they may even be able to break the mark or huck really well.  but the difference between these players and the ones on elite teams, and the difference between me and this guy at basketball, is that truly good players have done the drills to reinforce the basic skills and fundamentals so that they can execute all the time.  

this guy at the pickup game probably used to do more hours of drills in a week than i have played basketball in the last year.  when i was in college ultimate i was playing in a very controlled situation for about 15 hours a week...when there was no tournament on the weekend.  these 15 hours would probably include about 8-10 hours of skills practice.  now, when i get confronted by a tight mark, i have the fundamental footwork to step out and deliver a pass.  that guy at the pickup ultimate game hasn't seen a good mark, because nobody at pickup plays that way.  he hasn't had to make hard buttonhooks, or worry about his defensive positioning, because he's more athletic that most of the people in the game.

i think what i'm tyring to say is that if you want to improve, if you're trying to work your ultimate skills up to a point that will get you beyond the pickup game, and onto the best team in your area, you're going to have to do more than play.  you need to find a group of people who are willing to work on their skills, even if it's not the most fun thing to do.  playing pickup can build a lot of bad habits because you don't have to work on the fundamentals to succeed, but at the top level you have to have those skills built in as second nature so that you can spend your mental energies focusing on the higher levels of the game.

8 Comments:

  • greg,

    really interesting perspective. i wonder whether you think someone who spends time just playing in pickup games (but better games than yours) would come to your court and control the game in a similar manner? my guess is yes. if so, what does that say about your theory about fundamentals?

    it's possible that what is more important than working on fundamentals is repetition of any particular action, not necessarily the fundamentally sound actions.

    By Blogger Unknown, at 1/20/2009 9:57 AM  

  • Good point. I would like to see a list of top players who have picked up the game AFTER college, after not having the time to devote dozens of hours to skills. What's been their secret? And even more specifically, any HANDLERS out there who didn't play in college? I doubt it!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1/20/2009 11:05 AM  

  • Repetion of action vs fundamentally sound actions.

    If you had your choice, wouldn't you want to replicate a fundamentally sound action? Yes you can be successful at perfecting an action through repetition that is not fundamentally sound. However, the fundamentally sound action will result in allowing you to reach a higher level of play than you would have otherwise reached. This becomes obvious as those who are fundamentally strong are generally able to expose weak fundamentals or actions.

    Continue with the basketball analogy, and with that, let's focus on shooting the basketball. Reggie Miller and Larry Bird were great three point shooters, todays equivalent would be someone such as Kevin Martin or Michael Redd. Their form is horrible and you could not find one shooting coach that would recommend that anyone shoot with the form they employ.

    You are correct in stating that the repetition of the action has allowed them to become a great shooter (true of all great shooters). However, a stronger arguement is that they are outliers who overcame a poor shooting form to succeed. (Their will always be outliers). If that was not the case, there would be more players who shoot like the above mentioned players. If you wanted someone to have teh greatest success in shooting a basketball, are you going to choose Reggie Miller's form or Ray Allens?

    So yes, repetition plays an extremely important part in development, but if you are not fundamentally sound, the chances of you succeeding at the next level diminish, and continue to diminish with each level you reach.

    I only played the spring season of my senior year of college, and by no means handled the disc at that time.

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    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1/20/2009 3:05 PM  

  • I agree with Cash...just repeating any motion isn't as good as repeating a proper fundamental.

    That is almost a perfect definition of a fundamental: a skill element that, if practiced correctly, gives the player an advantage over any player that practices any other replacement element an equal number of times.

    Meaning: If you want to shoot a ball with poor form 10,000 times, you can improve more than someone that takes 900 fundamentally sound practice shots. But if you work equally, the fundamentally sound practice will win out.

    Fundamentals aren't there because everyone does them; they give you a real advantage or they aren't a fundamental. Getting your shooting foot pointed directly at the hoop before you start the shot is a fundamental, because it aligns your body with the goal and makes useful repetition easier.

    Miller was as pure and fundamentally sound a shooter as there was in the NBA. Watch the alignment of his shooting foot sometime. No matter how fast he came off of a screen, or the contact, or how far away from the basket...that foot would always find it's direction before he lifted. Don't watch the bony elbows...they're just a decoy, and don't effect the shot nearly as much as people often think. From foot to hip (where shots come from), there was noone better.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1/20/2009 11:57 PM  

  • Perfect timing. I just finished a book called Talent is Overrated :What really separates world-class performers from everybody else by Geoff Colvin. He does a lot of analysis of people that were so called prodigies such as Mozart, Tiger Woods, etc., and basically concludes that the best at anything do (either by design or accidentally) something called deliberate practice. And that is continual (and overkill) practice working on specific skills to improve. Yeah, Mozart was amazing, but he started training rigorously at age 3, like Woods, and his first really amazing work that wasn't derivative was at age 19.

    So the allusion to college practice I think is key. Nowhere else do we have the time to really beat on our skills. I can remember that all I really did was throw, ALL the time. And THEN I had practice.

    I would highly recommend that book, btw. Of course, the downside to the whole deliberate practice piece is that there are no shortcuts if you want to be world class at pretty much anything. Sigh...

    By Blogger Alex de Frondeville, at 1/21/2009 7:13 AM  

  • ringo - i'm sure a person from a more competitive game could come in and control our game. but i might argue that by playing in that better game the person has had to develop some strong fundamentals to be able to compete, or they would certainly suffer the same fate as me. much like after playing in some of the more competitive games at our gym, i can go on the lower courts and have a greater impact.

    anonymous - i would guess there are very few players who picked the game up after college and were able to succeed at the elite level. maybe 2 or 3 on each team at nationals. that might even be an overestimate. but i bet they got on a good team because they were raw, and then all the practicing and drilling got them the skills they needed.

    cash and anonymous - certainly learning correct form would help improve my chance for success, but i think even basic repetition would be critical. shooting 100 jumpshots with incorrect form would go a long way to helping me right now. shooting 20 with a shooting coach would probably be equally helpful. right now i'm so raw that even repetition of bad habits is helpful. also, some coaching about boxing out, securing rebounds and going back up to the hoop after an offensive board would go a long way to helping my game.

    al - i heard once that "practice doesn't make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect". this seems to be the crux to improving at the highest level, but i think at a basic level even incorrect practice improves you. basically the commitment to improving at something is the essential. i think my throws have gradually deteriorated over the last 10 years due to me throwing a lot less than i did when i was in college and on the field 15 hours/week plus throwing a ton outside of practice.

    By Blogger greg, at 1/21/2009 10:24 AM  

  • John Wooden hates the expression 'practice makes perfect'.

    His alternative expression is perfect practice makes perfect. In other words, don't practice things that reinforce bad habits.

    I know that Jam won nationals and all (congrats) but I've seen the drills you guys run and er, well, they're pretty flawed. Luckily, all the other teams are running the same stupid drills.

    By Blogger Frank Huguenard, at 1/21/2009 8:56 PM  

  • frank, have you been to many other teams' practices? or are you just assuming that their warm-up drills are their complete sets of drills, and you saw them at Labor Day?

    That is a little like assuming that all anyone does for basketball practice is pre-game layup lines, isn't it?

    Please, tell us what you are basing your assessment of 'the same stupid drills' on.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1/22/2009 2:00 PM  

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